Comments on: The Changes With Which I Don’t Agree http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php Never Adventure Alone Thu, 09 Sep 2010 05:19:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Stupid Ranger http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-618 Stupid Ranger Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:16:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-618 After I got over my rant, I realized that a lot of this frustration stems from the fact that because they've changed the elves, they have (apparently) changed the mythology of the elves. I'm a huge fan of creation myths, so I'm more than a little bummed that they took away the elf creation myth; that was always one of my favorite things about elves.<br/><br/>I still don't agree with it, but at least it's a minor fluff thing. I'll survive this change and live to enjoy another game.<br/><br/>If you should happen to pick up my copy of the PHB, however, don't be surprised if the descriptions of some of the gods have been changed! ;) After I got over my rant, I realized that a lot of this frustration stems from the fact that because they’ve changed the elves, they have (apparently) changed the mythology of the elves. I’m a huge fan of creation myths, so I’m more than a little bummed that they took away the elf creation myth; that was always one of my favorite things about elves.

I still don’t agree with it, but at least it’s a minor fluff thing. I’ll survive this change and live to enjoy another game.

If you should happen to pick up my copy of the PHB, however, don’t be surprised if the descriptions of some of the gods have been changed! ;)

]]> By: Kavonde http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-617 Kavonde Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:15:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-617 Anonymous: I don't think that's true. The Raven Queen seems to be really popular...hell, she's not even <i>in</i> my campaign setting, but I've had two players ask to be clerics of her.<br/><br/>As for Corellon and Sehanine...really, who cares about the sissy elf gods? Now Moradin being separated from his beloved folk? That's a tragedy. Anonymous: I don’t think that’s true. The Raven Queen seems to be really popular…hell, she’s not even in my campaign setting, but I’ve had two players ask to be clerics of her.

As for Corellon and Sehanine…really, who cares about the sissy elf gods? Now Moradin being separated from his beloved folk? That’s a tragedy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-616 Anonymous Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:12:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-616 Don't forget that it changed from Goddess to Gods. Also, if you haven't noticed, 4e is made so PCs are more or less forced to be good. Good dragons and several other good creatures were removed or turned evil, and the evil deities combined equal the description of a good deity. Anything like death or warfare in a deities portfolio makes him too evil for a PC to worship now. Don’t forget that it changed from Goddess to Gods. Also, if you haven’t noticed, 4e is made so PCs are more or less forced to be good. Good dragons and several other good creatures were removed or turned evil, and the evil deities combined equal the description of a good deity. Anything like death or warfare in a deities portfolio makes him too evil for a PC to worship now.

]]> By: J.Ayers http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-615 J.Ayers Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:38:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-615 Was it a complete change, or was it just making the god (or other gods) more general and more open to game construction? I could see it if they are trying to make it more open for sessions to interpret as needed.<br/><br/>We tend to play hell on the gods and backstories in our sessions. We even made an evil god named Pezgah, who granted his followers a little statue that dispensed magic pills from the neck... You guessed it, a Pezgah dispenser. Was it a complete change, or was it just making the god (or other gods) more general and more open to game construction? I could see it if they are trying to make it more open for sessions to interpret as needed.

We tend to play hell on the gods and backstories in our sessions. We even made an evil god named Pezgah, who granted his followers a little statue that dispensed magic pills from the neck… You guessed it, a Pezgah dispenser.

]]> By: Ben Pop http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-614 Ben Pop Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:09:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-614 Well, I feel free to mix up gods and other fluff the way I feel. Playing a dwarf I insist on calling the gods by their closest Norse equivalents.<br/><br/>I must admit that I prefer the gods as posed in 4e. Something that really annoyed me about 3.5 is there are a million gods of war, which feels very odd and not realistic at all. I think the paring down and trend towards more elemental deities is a good thing. Kord, case in point. Well, I feel free to mix up gods and other fluff the way I feel. Playing a dwarf I insist on calling the gods by their closest Norse equivalents.

I must admit that I prefer the gods as posed in 4e. Something that really annoyed me about 3.5 is there are a million gods of war, which feels very odd and not realistic at all. I think the paring down and trend towards more elemental deities is a good thing. Kord, case in point.

]]> By: Stupid Ranger http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-613 Stupid Ranger Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:20:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-613 @anonymous: I almost dropped my lunch on my keyboard when I read that... hilarious! @anonymous: I almost dropped my lunch on my keyboard when I read that… hilarious!

]]> By: Stupid Ranger http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-612 Stupid Ranger Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:18:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-612 @chuz: That's very true. I think it's probably along the lines of "as elves change, so do the gods" so maybe it is just an evolution to bring the gods into alignment with the new take on elves/eladrin.<br/><br/>@jer: The logical part of me knows that it's just fluff stuff. But the indignant part of me is much louder on this subject! And you're right, it's very much same-name-different-job. But still, why bother changing it at all if it's not going to impact the game mechanics?<br/><br/>I guess this rant ultimately boils down the following: My elf-type characters will be following the old descriptions of the gods. To my DM's, this is your fair warning. :) @chuz: That’s very true. I think it’s probably along the lines of “as elves change, so do the gods” so maybe it is just an evolution to bring the gods into alignment with the new take on elves/eladrin.

@jer: The logical part of me knows that it’s just fluff stuff. But the indignant part of me is much louder on this subject! And you’re right, it’s very much same-name-different-job. But still, why bother changing it at all if it’s not going to impact the game mechanics?

I guess this rant ultimately boils down the following: My elf-type characters will be following the old descriptions of the gods. To my DM’s, this is your fair warning. :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-611 Anonymous Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-611 I think Corellon still gets to bootycall Sehanine whenever he feels the urge so he's cool with it. I think Corellon still gets to bootycall Sehanine whenever he feels the urge so he’s cool with it.

]]> By: Jer http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-610 Jer Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:00:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-610 There isn't an "elf" pantheon anymore - at least not in the Core game. I assume that there will still be an "elf" pantheon in Forgotten Realms and if Greyhawk rolls around there will probably be an "elf" pantheon there as well.<br/><br/>The "default setting" in the core rules is like (as much as I hate to call it this) the "Ultimate" version of the D&D gameworld (in the sense of "Ultimate Marvel" and not in any real sense of the word "ultimate"). Things are there, they have the same names, sometimes they're exactly the same and sometimes they're very, very different.<br/><br/>That said - it's simple to change. The fluff around the gods in this edition impacts the rules so minutely that shuffling some portfolios around isn't going to impact things. There isn’t an “elf” pantheon anymore – at least not in the Core game. I assume that there will still be an “elf” pantheon in Forgotten Realms and if Greyhawk rolls around there will probably be an “elf” pantheon there as well.

The “default setting” in the core rules is like (as much as I hate to call it this) the “Ultimate” version of the D&D gameworld (in the sense of “Ultimate Marvel” and not in any real sense of the word “ultimate”). Things are there, they have the same names, sometimes they’re exactly the same and sometimes they’re very, very different.

That said – it’s simple to change. The fluff around the gods in this edition impacts the rules so minutely that shuffling some portfolios around isn’t going to impact things.

]]> By: chuz http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.php/comment-page-1#comment-609 chuz Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:30:00 +0000 http://www.stupidranger.com/2008/07/the-changes-with-which-i-dont-agree.html#comment-609 Well, as in reality, beliefs evolve, and so do the gods... Well, as in reality, beliefs evolve, and so do the gods…

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